It’s stupid o’clock in the morning. You’ve just finished editing. And instead of feeling good about it, one horrible little thought is living rent free in your head where the zzzzzzs should be: do I have to do this forever?
In this episode I troll the consistency doctrine which the gurus peddle. The show-up-every-week-forever commandment that gets drummed into you from day one, usually by someone whose whole business model is selling you the cure for the anxiety they just handed you.
I also make the case that publishing in seasons is one of the worst ideas going for most indie shows. Not for the reason you’d expect.
Seasons aren’t a strategy, they’re something else entirely.
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Transcript
Dis you, hun?
2
:It's stupid o'clock in the morning,
you've just finished editing an episode,
3
:and instead of feeling good about
it, you're laying there staring at
4
:the ceiling with one horrible little
thought doing laps of your brain.
5
:Do I have to do this forever?
6
:And there it goes.
7
:The excitement curdles.
8
:The thing you were buzzing about an
hour ago suddenly feels like a life
9
:sentence handed down by a judge you'll
never, ever meet. And there's a thing
10
:that nobody flogging you a podcast
course will ever admit to, and that
11
:is that feeling right there at stupid
o'clock in the morning isn't a flaw in
12
:your brain, it's a feature which they
installed, and I'm going to delete it.
13
:This is Podmastery: Podcasting
Insights, the podcast for people
14
:who've actually had a bit of a go
at this and are a bit sick of being
15
:told they're doing it wrong by people
who've never properly done it at all.
16
:I'm Neal Veglio, the Podmaster, and
today the biggest lie in podcasting,
17
:the one that's got you convinced
that starting a podcast means
18
:signing your life away in blood.
19
:We're gonna take that apart and
you're gonna walk out of here
20
:about a stone lighter and a good
deal less obedient, hopefully.
21
:Let's do that naff quote of every
LinkedIn influencer relying on
22
:AI for their genius these days.
23
:Let me say the quiet bit
out loud, because you won't.
24
:It's that, "Do I have to
do this forever?" feeling.
25
:You're not being weak or commitment
avoidant or whatever that same
26
:LinkedIn hustle goblin told you between
posts about their morning routine.
27
:Nearly everyone gets it.
28
:I get it, and I've been at this 25 years.
29
:But here's where it comes from, and this
is the bit that should truly wind you up.
30
:Somewhere along the way, an entire
industry of podcast gurus decided that
31
:the holy commandment of podcasting
is surface-level consistency.
32
:That means show up every week, never
miss an episode, publish on the same
33
:day at the same time for all eternity
until you keel over at the microphone
34
:like a good little content machine.
35
:Miss one, and you've broken trust.
36
:Miss two, and you're not
serious about your brand.
37
:It gets drummed into you from day
one, usually by someone whose entire
38
:business model is selling you the cure
for the anxiety they've just given you.
39
:Funny that
40
:And I watch this doing
real damage in my day job.
41
:Someone will rock up buzzing about
doing a podcast, they're full of the
42
:enthusiasm and good intentions, and
then three conversations later, the
43
:light's gone out of them and they mumble,
44
:"Maybe
45
:I'll just do a season, see how it goes."
46
:Forget that.
47
:That's never strategy.
48
:That is fear buying an RSS feed.
49
:What they actually mean is, "Please can
I have permission to not ever do this
50
:forever?" They're begging for parole
before they've even committed the crime.
51
:So let me get one thing
dead straight with you here.
52
:The podcast has never been the trap.
53
:Say that back to me right now.
54
:The podcast is not the thing with the
bars across it. The trap is a belief that
55
:got welded into your head by people who
profit from your guilt, that once you
56
:start, you're never allowed to stop.
57
:That any kind of content
gap makes you a failure.
58
:That walking away makes you a quitter.
59
:That is the cage, and the genuinely insane
part of this, the bit that should make
60
:you laugh and swear in equal measure as
it does I, is that you built it yourself
61
:from their marketing and then sentenced
yourself to it. The door was never locked.
62
:You have been sat in an open cell
doing someone else's PR for them.
63
:So let me give you the thing that they
will never, ever put into their online
64
:podcast guru course because you can't
sell a monthly subscription to it.
65
:You only ever commit to the next episode.
66
:That's it.
67
:That's the whole bloody contract.
68
:Not a podcast, not a season, not
the next five years of sodding
69
:Tuesdays, just the next episode.
70
:And the second that is
published, you're free again.
71
:You can walk.
72
:There's no finale, no teary apology in
the show description, no explanation
73
:owed to a single living soul.
74
:I want you to ponder on that for a moment
because honestly, that is the complete
75
:truth, and it's the exact opposite of how
my competitors have trained you to feel.
76
:And now here's the really
crazy bit about this.
77
:It is properly backwards.
78
:Are you ready for this?
79
:The freedom to walk out whenever you like
is the very thing that lets you stay.
80
:The people who know, I mean really
know, deep down in their gut,
81
:that they can quit tomorrow are
the ones still going years later.
82
:It's the poor sods white-knuckling
their upload schedule out of pure
83
:guilt who burn out and vanish
somewhere around episode nine.
84
:It's like anything, a run you
fancied going on is a nice afternoon.
85
:That same identical run ordered by
some bloke with a whistle holding
86
:a clipboard is a punishment.
87
:You're wearing the same damn trainers.
88
:You're running the same damn distance.
89
:But take the have to out, and
the want to comes right back in.
90
:Which brings me to seasons.
91
:And yeah, I think seasons for most
indie shows are one of the stupidest
92
:ideas going, and any guru that is
so desperate for any cash from you
93
:that they encourage you to do seasons
should be struck off from the
94
:podcast management register forever.
95
:They should hit some sort of creepy list.
96
:Some activists on TikTok should turn up on
their doorstep and hound them forevermore
97
:and wait for the police to arrive.
98
:But my reason for saying that is
not what you expect, and I want to
99
:be fair to you if you've done one.
100
:The thing is, publishing
in seasons isn't strategy.
101
:It's a coping mechanism dressed up
in a delivery method, in a format.
102
:It's a frightened person trying
to schedule a bit of freedom they
103
:already own outright for nothing.
104
:It's bolting a fire escape
onto a door that was never,
105
:ever locked in the first place.
106
:And here's the real punchline on this.
107
:It doesn't even work because instead
of freeing you, it just kicks the
108
:dread down the road to, "Oh my God, am
I actually gonna come back for season
109
:two?" And that bit there, that breezy
little, "Back in the autumn, guys," is
110
:nine times out of 10 precisely where
the show wanders off and then dies
111
:in a ditch, never heard from again.
112
:You never needed a season
finale to be allowed to stop.
113
:You had that the whole time.
114
:Nobody was gonna arrest you if
there wasn't a next episode.
115
:Now, I'm not gonna hand you a warm
cup of lies because that's the guru
116
:move, and it makes my skin crawl.
117
:The flip side of you can stop
any time is that you might.
118
:Most shows do stop in the end.
119
:Yours may well do, and that has to be
actually fine with you in your brain.
120
:Not brave-face fine, genuinely
fine, or none of this works.
121
:Because if the only way you can
keep going with your podcast is by
122
:convincing yourself that stopping
would be some sort of tragedy, then
123
:you're actually not permitted, mate.
124
:You're just scared.
125
:Real permission has to include the version
of you where one day you go, "Yeah.
126
:Do you know what?
127
:I've done eight years.
128
:I think I'm done."
129
:And allowing yourself a
proper, dignified full stop.
130
:And that's not failure.
131
:That's not you giving up.
132
:That is you imposing an ending.
133
:Grown-ups are allowed those.
134
:Let's put this into a real-world analogy.
135
:Imagine you're invited to a party, and
you turn up at the party, and when you
136
:get there, the party host says, "Oh, okay.
137
:You're here now for the next eight weeks."
138
:How would you feel at that party?
139
:Would you want to stay forever?
140
:No, you'd be ticking days off the
calendar, watching the door, and
141
:yearning for the day that you can walk
through it again. And that is literally
142
:the mentality that you're imposing
yourself in your podcast production
143
:when you approach it as seasons.
144
:Versus the person that turns up at
the party, knows they can leave at any
145
:time, makes a bunch of friends, has
lots of fun, and then just walks out
146
:thinking, "Do you know what? That was
such a great party. I can't wait to go
147
:back to that one again." That is it.
148
:That's the whole deal.
149
:And weirdly, it's the exact method
that lets you begin in the first place.
150
:Anyway, speaking of people who just
keep choosing to make the next one
151
:and sod the five-year plan. After
this short break, I'd love to play
152
:you a podcast trailer from one of
our Podmastery Community Members.
153
:We will be opening the
doors to the public soon.
154
:If you'd like to join the founding
members, go to podmastery.co/waitlist.
155
:There you go.
156
:Someone who made one episode, then
on the day decided to make another.
157
:That's the entire game.
158
:No master plan.
159
:There's no blood oath.
160
:They're not trapped.
161
:They're not handcuffed to their show.
162
:They just want to keep making it.
163
:So here's something for you.
164
:It's not a checklist, it's
not a framework, it's not a
165
:seven-part signature system.
166
:I would rather chew glass
than give that to you.
167
:Here is what you need to do.
168
:You need to stop committing to a
podcast that's too big a thing to
169
:fathom. It isn't real, and it's the
exact thing that's crushing your spirit.
170
:Commit to the next episode.
171
:Only ever the next one.
172
:And next time that you're laying in
bed at stupid o'clock and that voice
173
:in your head pipes up, "Oh my God, do I
have to do this forever?" stare at the
174
:ceiling and think to yourself, "No, I
only ever have to do exactly one more."
175
:That's the whole commitment.
176
:Can I make one more episode?
177
:And of course, the
answer is you bloody can.
178
:So go and make it.
179
:And when it's out, you're free again.
180
:Properly, genuinely free.
181
:And you'll wander back in behind
that microphone again, and
182
:you'll choose to make another.
183
:Not because some LinkedIn goon guilted you
into it, because you actually wanted to
184
:create, you wanted to share, you wanted
to spread what you're here to spread.
185
:Forever was never the contract.
186
:Just the next episode as it feels
right to you was, and that's the only
187
:thing you ever have to say yes to.
188
:I hope that's removed the proverbial boot
from the back of your neck a little bit.
189
:You never signed up for forever.
190
:Nobody did.
191
:You signed up for one more.
192
:And if you want a hand working out
what your podcast's next episode
193
:should actually look like, that's
a conversation I love having
194
:Get yourself to podmastery.co and
get your next podcasting challenge
195
:solved in a one-to-one with me.
196
:I'm Neal Veglio, the Podmaster.
197
:Go and make your next episode, just the
next one for now, and good luck with your
198
:continuing journey towards pod mastery.
Transcript
Dis you, hun?
2
:It's stupid o'clock in the morning,
you've just finished editing an episode,
3
:and instead of feeling good about
it, you're laying there staring at
4
:the ceiling with one horrible little
thought doing laps of your brain.
5
:Do I have to do this forever?
6
:And there it goes.
7
:The excitement curdles.
8
:The thing you were buzzing about an
hour ago suddenly feels like a life
9
:sentence handed down by a judge you'll
never, ever meet. And there's a thing
10
:that nobody flogging you a podcast
course will ever admit to, and that
11
:is that feeling right there at stupid
o'clock in the morning isn't a flaw in
12
:your brain, it's a feature which they
installed, and I'm going to delete it.
13
:This is Podmastery: Podcasting
Insights, the podcast for people
14
:who've actually had a bit of a go
at this and are a bit sick of being
15
:told they're doing it wrong by people
who've never properly done it at all.
16
:I'm Neal Veglio, the Podmaster, and
today the biggest lie in podcasting,
17
:the one that's got you convinced
that starting a podcast means
18
:signing your life away in blood.
19
:We're gonna take that apart and
you're gonna walk out of here
20
:about a stone lighter and a good
deal less obedient, hopefully.
21
:Let's do that naff quote of every
LinkedIn influencer relying on
22
:AI for their genius these days.
23
:Let me say the quiet bit
out loud, because you won't.
24
:It's that, "Do I have to
do this forever?" feeling.
25
:You're not being weak or commitment
avoidant or whatever that same
26
:LinkedIn hustle goblin told you between
posts about their morning routine.
27
:Nearly everyone gets it.
28
:I get it, and I've been at this 25 years.
29
:But here's where it comes from, and this
is the bit that should truly wind you up.
30
:Somewhere along the way, an entire
industry of podcast gurus decided that
31
:the holy commandment of podcasting
is surface-level consistency.
32
:That means show up every week, never
miss an episode, publish on the same
33
:day at the same time for all eternity
until you keel over at the microphone
34
:like a good little content machine.
35
:Miss one, and you've broken trust.
36
:Miss two, and you're not
serious about your brand.
37
:It gets drummed into you from day
one, usually by someone whose entire
38
:business model is selling you the cure
for the anxiety they've just given you.
39
:Funny that
40
:And I watch this doing
real damage in my day job.
41
:Someone will rock up buzzing about
doing a podcast, they're full of the
42
:enthusiasm and good intentions, and
then three conversations later, the
43
:light's gone out of them and they mumble,
44
:"Maybe
45
:I'll just do a season, see how it goes."
46
:Forget that.
47
:That's never strategy.
48
:That is fear buying an RSS feed.
49
:What they actually mean is, "Please can
I have permission to not ever do this
50
:forever?" They're begging for parole
before they've even committed the crime.
51
:So let me get one thing
dead straight with you here.
52
:The podcast has never been the trap.
53
:Say that back to me right now.
54
:The podcast is not the thing with the
bars across it. The trap is a belief that
55
:got welded into your head by people who
profit from your guilt, that once you
56
:start, you're never allowed to stop.
57
:That any kind of content
gap makes you a failure.
58
:That walking away makes you a quitter.
59
:That is the cage, and the genuinely insane
part of this, the bit that should make
60
:you laugh and swear in equal measure as
it does I, is that you built it yourself
61
:from their marketing and then sentenced
yourself to it. The door was never locked.
62
:You have been sat in an open cell
doing someone else's PR for them.
63
:So let me give you the thing that they
will never, ever put into their online
64
:podcast guru course because you can't
sell a monthly subscription to it.
65
:You only ever commit to the next episode.
66
:That's it.
67
:That's the whole bloody contract.
68
:Not a podcast, not a season, not
the next five years of sodding
69
:Tuesdays, just the next episode.
70
:And the second that is
published, you're free again.
71
:You can walk.
72
:There's no finale, no teary apology in
the show description, no explanation
73
:owed to a single living soul.
74
:I want you to ponder on that for a moment
because honestly, that is the complete
75
:truth, and it's the exact opposite of how
my competitors have trained you to feel.
76
:And now here's the really
crazy bit about this.
77
:It is properly backwards.
78
:Are you ready for this?
79
:The freedom to walk out whenever you like
is the very thing that lets you stay.
80
:The people who know, I mean really
know, deep down in their gut,
81
:that they can quit tomorrow are
the ones still going years later.
82
:It's the poor sods white-knuckling
their upload schedule out of pure
83
:guilt who burn out and vanish
somewhere around episode nine.
84
:It's like anything, a run you
fancied going on is a nice afternoon.
85
:That same identical run ordered by
some bloke with a whistle holding
86
:a clipboard is a punishment.
87
:You're wearing the same damn trainers.
88
:You're running the same damn distance.
89
:But take the have to out, and
the want to comes right back in.
90
:Which brings me to seasons.
91
:And yeah, I think seasons for most
indie shows are one of the stupidest
92
:ideas going, and any guru that is
so desperate for any cash from you
93
:that they encourage you to do seasons
should be struck off from the
94
:podcast management register forever.
95
:They should hit some sort of creepy list.
96
:Some activists on TikTok should turn up on
their doorstep and hound them forevermore
97
:and wait for the police to arrive.
98
:But my reason for saying that is
not what you expect, and I want to
99
:be fair to you if you've done one.
100
:The thing is, publishing
in seasons isn't strategy.
101
:It's a coping mechanism dressed up
in a delivery method, in a format.
102
:It's a frightened person trying
to schedule a bit of freedom they
103
:already own outright for nothing.
104
:It's bolting a fire escape
onto a door that was never,
105
:ever locked in the first place.
106
:And here's the real punchline on this.
107
:It doesn't even work because instead
of freeing you, it just kicks the
108
:dread down the road to, "Oh my God, am
I actually gonna come back for season
109
:two?" And that bit there, that breezy
little, "Back in the autumn, guys," is
110
:nine times out of 10 precisely where
the show wanders off and then dies
111
:in a ditch, never heard from again.
112
:You never needed a season
finale to be allowed to stop.
113
:You had that the whole time.
114
:Nobody was gonna arrest you if
there wasn't a next episode.
115
:Now, I'm not gonna hand you a warm
cup of lies because that's the guru
116
:move, and it makes my skin crawl.
117
:The flip side of you can stop
any time is that you might.
118
:Most shows do stop in the end.
119
:Yours may well do, and that has to be
actually fine with you in your brain.
120
:Not brave-face fine, genuinely
fine, or none of this works.
121
:Because if the only way you can
keep going with your podcast is by
122
:convincing yourself that stopping
would be some sort of tragedy, then
123
:you're actually not permitted, mate.
124
:You're just scared.
125
:Real permission has to include the version
of you where one day you go, "Yeah.
126
:Do you know what?
127
:I've done eight years.
128
:I think I'm done."
129
:And allowing yourself a
proper, dignified full stop.
130
:And that's not failure.
131
:That's not you giving up.
132
:That is you imposing an ending.
133
:Grown-ups are allowed those.
134
:Let's put this into a real-world analogy.
135
:Imagine you're invited to a party, and
you turn up at the party, and when you
136
:get there, the party host says, "Oh, okay.
137
:You're here now for the next eight weeks."
138
:How would you feel at that party?
139
:Would you want to stay forever?
140
:No, you'd be ticking days off the
calendar, watching the door, and
141
:yearning for the day that you can walk
through it again. And that is literally
142
:the mentality that you're imposing
yourself in your podcast production
143
:when you approach it as seasons.
144
:Versus the person that turns up at
the party, knows they can leave at any
145
:time, makes a bunch of friends, has
lots of fun, and then just walks out
146
:thinking, "Do you know what? That was
such a great party. I can't wait to go
147
:back to that one again." That is it.
148
:That's the whole deal.
149
:And weirdly, it's the exact method
that lets you begin in the first place.
150
:Anyway, speaking of people who just
keep choosing to make the next one
151
:and sod the five-year plan. After
this short break, I'd love to play
152
:you a podcast trailer from one of
our Podmastery Community Members.
153
:We will be opening the
doors to the public soon.
154
:If you'd like to join the founding
members, go to podmastery.co/waitlist.
155
:There you go.
156
:Someone who made one episode, then
on the day decided to make another.
157
:That's the entire game.
158
:No master plan.
159
:There's no blood oath.
160
:They're not trapped.
161
:They're not handcuffed to their show.
162
:They just want to keep making it.
163
:So here's something for you.
164
:It's not a checklist, it's
not a framework, it's not a
165
:seven-part signature system.
166
:I would rather chew glass
than give that to you.
167
:Here is what you need to do.
168
:You need to stop committing to a
podcast that's too big a thing to
169
:fathom. It isn't real, and it's the
exact thing that's crushing your spirit.
170
:Commit to the next episode.
171
:Only ever the next one.
172
:And next time that you're laying in
bed at stupid o'clock and that voice
173
:in your head pipes up, "Oh my God, do I
have to do this forever?" stare at the
174
:ceiling and think to yourself, "No, I
only ever have to do exactly one more."
175
:That's the whole commitment.
176
:Can I make one more episode?
177
:And of course, the
answer is you bloody can.
178
:So go and make it.
179
:And when it's out, you're free again.
180
:Properly, genuinely free.
181
:And you'll wander back in behind
that microphone again, and
182
:you'll choose to make another.
183
:Not because some LinkedIn goon guilted you
into it, because you actually wanted to
184
:create, you wanted to share, you wanted
to spread what you're here to spread.
185
:Forever was never the contract.
186
:Just the next episode as it feels
right to you was, and that's the only
187
:thing you ever have to say yes to.
188
:I hope that's removed the proverbial boot
from the back of your neck a little bit.
189
:You never signed up for forever.
190
:Nobody did.
191
:You signed up for one more.
192
:And if you want a hand working out
what your podcast's next episode
193
:should actually look like, that's
a conversation I love having
194
:Get yourself to podmastery.co and
get your next podcasting challenge
195
:solved in a one-to-one with me.
196
:I'm Neal Veglio, the Podmaster.
197
:Go and make your next episode, just the
next one for now, and good luck with your
198
:continuing journey towards pod mastery.
