It’s stupid o’clock in the morning. You’ve just finished editing. And instead of feeling good about it, one horrible little thought is living rent free in your head where the zzzzzzs should be: do I have to do this forever?

In this episode I troll the consistency doctrine which the gurus peddle. The show-up-every-week-forever commandment that gets drummed into you from day one, usually by someone whose whole business model is selling you the cure for the anxiety they just handed you.

I also make the case that publishing in seasons is one of the worst ideas going for most indie shows. Not for the reason you’d expect.

Seasons aren’t a strategy, they’re something else entirely.

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Transcript
Speaker:

Dis you, hun?

2

:

It's stupid o'clock in the morning,

you've just finished editing an episode,

3

:

and instead of feeling good about

it, you're laying there staring at

4

:

the ceiling with one horrible little

thought doing laps of your brain.

5

:

Do I have to do this forever?

6

:

And there it goes.

7

:

The excitement curdles.

8

:

The thing you were buzzing about an

hour ago suddenly feels like a life

9

:

sentence handed down by a judge you'll

never, ever meet. And there's a thing

10

:

that nobody flogging you a podcast

course will ever admit to, and that

11

:

is that feeling right there at stupid

o'clock in the morning isn't a flaw in

12

:

your brain, it's a feature which they

installed, and I'm going to delete it.

13

:

This is Podmastery: Podcasting

Insights, the podcast for people

14

:

who've actually had a bit of a go

at this and are a bit sick of being

15

:

told they're doing it wrong by people

who've never properly done it at all.

16

:

I'm Neal Veglio, the Podmaster, and

today the biggest lie in podcasting,

17

:

the one that's got you convinced

that starting a podcast means

18

:

signing your life away in blood.

19

:

We're gonna take that apart and

you're gonna walk out of here

20

:

about a stone lighter and a good

deal less obedient, hopefully.

21

:

Let's do that naff quote of every

LinkedIn influencer relying on

22

:

AI for their genius these days.

23

:

Let me say the quiet bit

out loud, because you won't.

24

:

It's that, "Do I have to

do this forever?" feeling.

25

:

You're not being weak or commitment

avoidant or whatever that same

26

:

LinkedIn hustle goblin told you between

posts about their morning routine.

27

:

Nearly everyone gets it.

28

:

I get it, and I've been at this 25 years.

29

:

But here's where it comes from, and this

is the bit that should truly wind you up.

30

:

Somewhere along the way, an entire

industry of podcast gurus decided that

31

:

the holy commandment of podcasting

is surface-level consistency.

32

:

That means show up every week, never

miss an episode, publish on the same

33

:

day at the same time for all eternity

until you keel over at the microphone

34

:

like a good little content machine.

35

:

Miss one, and you've broken trust.

36

:

Miss two, and you're not

serious about your brand.

37

:

It gets drummed into you from day

one, usually by someone whose entire

38

:

business model is selling you the cure

for the anxiety they've just given you.

39

:

Funny that

40

:

And I watch this doing

real damage in my day job.

41

:

Someone will rock up buzzing about

doing a podcast, they're full of the

42

:

enthusiasm and good intentions, and

then three conversations later, the

43

:

light's gone out of them and they mumble,

44

:

"Maybe

45

:

I'll just do a season, see how it goes."

46

:

Forget that.

47

:

That's never strategy.

48

:

That is fear buying an RSS feed.

49

:

What they actually mean is, "Please can

I have permission to not ever do this

50

:

forever?" They're begging for parole

before they've even committed the crime.

51

:

So let me get one thing

dead straight with you here.

52

:

The podcast has never been the trap.

53

:

Say that back to me right now.

54

:

The podcast is not the thing with the

bars across it. The trap is a belief that

55

:

got welded into your head by people who

profit from your guilt, that once you

56

:

start, you're never allowed to stop.

57

:

That any kind of content

gap makes you a failure.

58

:

That walking away makes you a quitter.

59

:

That is the cage, and the genuinely insane

part of this, the bit that should make

60

:

you laugh and swear in equal measure as

it does I, is that you built it yourself

61

:

from their marketing and then sentenced

yourself to it. The door was never locked.

62

:

You have been sat in an open cell

doing someone else's PR for them.

63

:

So let me give you the thing that they

will never, ever put into their online

64

:

podcast guru course because you can't

sell a monthly subscription to it.

65

:

You only ever commit to the next episode.

66

:

That's it.

67

:

That's the whole bloody contract.

68

:

Not a podcast, not a season, not

the next five years of sodding

69

:

Tuesdays, just the next episode.

70

:

And the second that is

published, you're free again.

71

:

You can walk.

72

:

There's no finale, no teary apology in

the show description, no explanation

73

:

owed to a single living soul.

74

:

I want you to ponder on that for a moment

because honestly, that is the complete

75

:

truth, and it's the exact opposite of how

my competitors have trained you to feel.

76

:

And now here's the really

crazy bit about this.

77

:

It is properly backwards.

78

:

Are you ready for this?

79

:

The freedom to walk out whenever you like

is the very thing that lets you stay.

80

:

The people who know, I mean really

know, deep down in their gut,

81

:

that they can quit tomorrow are

the ones still going years later.

82

:

It's the poor sods white-knuckling

their upload schedule out of pure

83

:

guilt who burn out and vanish

somewhere around episode nine.

84

:

It's like anything, a run you

fancied going on is a nice afternoon.

85

:

That same identical run ordered by

some bloke with a whistle holding

86

:

a clipboard is a punishment.

87

:

You're wearing the same damn trainers.

88

:

You're running the same damn distance.

89

:

But take the have to out, and

the want to comes right back in.

90

:

Which brings me to seasons.

91

:

And yeah, I think seasons for most

indie shows are one of the stupidest

92

:

ideas going, and any guru that is

so desperate for any cash from you

93

:

that they encourage you to do seasons

should be struck off from the

94

:

podcast management register forever.

95

:

They should hit some sort of creepy list.

96

:

Some activists on TikTok should turn up on

their doorstep and hound them forevermore

97

:

and wait for the police to arrive.

98

:

But my reason for saying that is

not what you expect, and I want to

99

:

be fair to you if you've done one.

100

:

The thing is, publishing

in seasons isn't strategy.

101

:

It's a coping mechanism dressed up

in a delivery method, in a format.

102

:

It's a frightened person trying

to schedule a bit of freedom they

103

:

already own outright for nothing.

104

:

It's bolting a fire escape

onto a door that was never,

105

:

ever locked in the first place.

106

:

And here's the real punchline on this.

107

:

It doesn't even work because instead

of freeing you, it just kicks the

108

:

dread down the road to, "Oh my God, am

I actually gonna come back for season

109

:

two?" And that bit there, that breezy

little, "Back in the autumn, guys," is

110

:

nine times out of 10 precisely where

the show wanders off and then dies

111

:

in a ditch, never heard from again.

112

:

You never needed a season

finale to be allowed to stop.

113

:

You had that the whole time.

114

:

Nobody was gonna arrest you if

there wasn't a next episode.

115

:

Now, I'm not gonna hand you a warm

cup of lies because that's the guru

116

:

move, and it makes my skin crawl.

117

:

The flip side of you can stop

any time is that you might.

118

:

Most shows do stop in the end.

119

:

Yours may well do, and that has to be

actually fine with you in your brain.

120

:

Not brave-face fine, genuinely

fine, or none of this works.

121

:

Because if the only way you can

keep going with your podcast is by

122

:

convincing yourself that stopping

would be some sort of tragedy, then

123

:

you're actually not permitted, mate.

124

:

You're just scared.

125

:

Real permission has to include the version

of you where one day you go, "Yeah.

126

:

Do you know what?

127

:

I've done eight years.

128

:

I think I'm done."

129

:

And allowing yourself a

proper, dignified full stop.

130

:

And that's not failure.

131

:

That's not you giving up.

132

:

That is you imposing an ending.

133

:

Grown-ups are allowed those.

134

:

Let's put this into a real-world analogy.

135

:

Imagine you're invited to a party, and

you turn up at the party, and when you

136

:

get there, the party host says, "Oh, okay.

137

:

You're here now for the next eight weeks."

138

:

How would you feel at that party?

139

:

Would you want to stay forever?

140

:

No, you'd be ticking days off the

calendar, watching the door, and

141

:

yearning for the day that you can walk

through it again. And that is literally

142

:

the mentality that you're imposing

yourself in your podcast production

143

:

when you approach it as seasons.

144

:

Versus the person that turns up at

the party, knows they can leave at any

145

:

time, makes a bunch of friends, has

lots of fun, and then just walks out

146

:

thinking, "Do you know what? That was

such a great party. I can't wait to go

147

:

back to that one again." That is it.

148

:

That's the whole deal.

149

:

And weirdly, it's the exact method

that lets you begin in the first place.

150

:

Anyway, speaking of people who just

keep choosing to make the next one

151

:

and sod the five-year plan. After

this short break, I'd love to play

152

:

you a podcast trailer from one of

our Podmastery Community Members.

153

:

We will be opening the

doors to the public soon.

154

:

If you'd like to join the founding

members, go to podmastery.co/waitlist.

155

:

There you go.

156

:

Someone who made one episode, then

on the day decided to make another.

157

:

That's the entire game.

158

:

No master plan.

159

:

There's no blood oath.

160

:

They're not trapped.

161

:

They're not handcuffed to their show.

162

:

They just want to keep making it.

163

:

So here's something for you.

164

:

It's not a checklist, it's

not a framework, it's not a

165

:

seven-part signature system.

166

:

I would rather chew glass

than give that to you.

167

:

Here is what you need to do.

168

:

You need to stop committing to a

podcast that's too big a thing to

169

:

fathom. It isn't real, and it's the

exact thing that's crushing your spirit.

170

:

Commit to the next episode.

171

:

Only ever the next one.

172

:

And next time that you're laying in

bed at stupid o'clock and that voice

173

:

in your head pipes up, "Oh my God, do I

have to do this forever?" stare at the

174

:

ceiling and think to yourself, "No, I

only ever have to do exactly one more."

175

:

That's the whole commitment.

176

:

Can I make one more episode?

177

:

And of course, the

answer is you bloody can.

178

:

So go and make it.

179

:

And when it's out, you're free again.

180

:

Properly, genuinely free.

181

:

And you'll wander back in behind

that microphone again, and

182

:

you'll choose to make another.

183

:

Not because some LinkedIn goon guilted you

into it, because you actually wanted to

184

:

create, you wanted to share, you wanted

to spread what you're here to spread.

185

:

Forever was never the contract.

186

:

Just the next episode as it feels

right to you was, and that's the only

187

:

thing you ever have to say yes to.

188

:

I hope that's removed the proverbial boot

from the back of your neck a little bit.

189

:

You never signed up for forever.

190

:

Nobody did.

191

:

You signed up for one more.

192

:

And if you want a hand working out

what your podcast's next episode

193

:

should actually look like, that's

a conversation I love having

194

:

Get yourself to podmastery.co and

get your next podcasting challenge

195

:

solved in a one-to-one with me.

196

:

I'm Neal Veglio, the Podmaster.

197

:

Go and make your next episode, just the

next one for now, and good luck with your

198

:

continuing journey towards pod mastery.

Transcript
Speaker:

Dis you, hun?

2

:

It's stupid o'clock in the morning,

you've just finished editing an episode,

3

:

and instead of feeling good about

it, you're laying there staring at

4

:

the ceiling with one horrible little

thought doing laps of your brain.

5

:

Do I have to do this forever?

6

:

And there it goes.

7

:

The excitement curdles.

8

:

The thing you were buzzing about an

hour ago suddenly feels like a life

9

:

sentence handed down by a judge you'll

never, ever meet. And there's a thing

10

:

that nobody flogging you a podcast

course will ever admit to, and that

11

:

is that feeling right there at stupid

o'clock in the morning isn't a flaw in

12

:

your brain, it's a feature which they

installed, and I'm going to delete it.

13

:

This is Podmastery: Podcasting

Insights, the podcast for people

14

:

who've actually had a bit of a go

at this and are a bit sick of being

15

:

told they're doing it wrong by people

who've never properly done it at all.

16

:

I'm Neal Veglio, the Podmaster, and

today the biggest lie in podcasting,

17

:

the one that's got you convinced

that starting a podcast means

18

:

signing your life away in blood.

19

:

We're gonna take that apart and

you're gonna walk out of here

20

:

about a stone lighter and a good

deal less obedient, hopefully.

21

:

Let's do that naff quote of every

LinkedIn influencer relying on

22

:

AI for their genius these days.

23

:

Let me say the quiet bit

out loud, because you won't.

24

:

It's that, "Do I have to

do this forever?" feeling.

25

:

You're not being weak or commitment

avoidant or whatever that same

26

:

LinkedIn hustle goblin told you between

posts about their morning routine.

27

:

Nearly everyone gets it.

28

:

I get it, and I've been at this 25 years.

29

:

But here's where it comes from, and this

is the bit that should truly wind you up.

30

:

Somewhere along the way, an entire

industry of podcast gurus decided that

31

:

the holy commandment of podcasting

is surface-level consistency.

32

:

That means show up every week, never

miss an episode, publish on the same

33

:

day at the same time for all eternity

until you keel over at the microphone

34

:

like a good little content machine.

35

:

Miss one, and you've broken trust.

36

:

Miss two, and you're not

serious about your brand.

37

:

It gets drummed into you from day

one, usually by someone whose entire

38

:

business model is selling you the cure

for the anxiety they've just given you.

39

:

Funny that

40

:

And I watch this doing

real damage in my day job.

41

:

Someone will rock up buzzing about

doing a podcast, they're full of the

42

:

enthusiasm and good intentions, and

then three conversations later, the

43

:

light's gone out of them and they mumble,

44

:

"Maybe

45

:

I'll just do a season, see how it goes."

46

:

Forget that.

47

:

That's never strategy.

48

:

That is fear buying an RSS feed.

49

:

What they actually mean is, "Please can

I have permission to not ever do this

50

:

forever?" They're begging for parole

before they've even committed the crime.

51

:

So let me get one thing

dead straight with you here.

52

:

The podcast has never been the trap.

53

:

Say that back to me right now.

54

:

The podcast is not the thing with the

bars across it. The trap is a belief that

55

:

got welded into your head by people who

profit from your guilt, that once you

56

:

start, you're never allowed to stop.

57

:

That any kind of content

gap makes you a failure.

58

:

That walking away makes you a quitter.

59

:

That is the cage, and the genuinely insane

part of this, the bit that should make

60

:

you laugh and swear in equal measure as

it does I, is that you built it yourself

61

:

from their marketing and then sentenced

yourself to it. The door was never locked.

62

:

You have been sat in an open cell

doing someone else's PR for them.

63

:

So let me give you the thing that they

will never, ever put into their online

64

:

podcast guru course because you can't

sell a monthly subscription to it.

65

:

You only ever commit to the next episode.

66

:

That's it.

67

:

That's the whole bloody contract.

68

:

Not a podcast, not a season, not

the next five years of sodding

69

:

Tuesdays, just the next episode.

70

:

And the second that is

published, you're free again.

71

:

You can walk.

72

:

There's no finale, no teary apology in

the show description, no explanation

73

:

owed to a single living soul.

74

:

I want you to ponder on that for a moment

because honestly, that is the complete

75

:

truth, and it's the exact opposite of how

my competitors have trained you to feel.

76

:

And now here's the really

crazy bit about this.

77

:

It is properly backwards.

78

:

Are you ready for this?

79

:

The freedom to walk out whenever you like

is the very thing that lets you stay.

80

:

The people who know, I mean really

know, deep down in their gut,

81

:

that they can quit tomorrow are

the ones still going years later.

82

:

It's the poor sods white-knuckling

their upload schedule out of pure

83

:

guilt who burn out and vanish

somewhere around episode nine.

84

:

It's like anything, a run you

fancied going on is a nice afternoon.

85

:

That same identical run ordered by

some bloke with a whistle holding

86

:

a clipboard is a punishment.

87

:

You're wearing the same damn trainers.

88

:

You're running the same damn distance.

89

:

But take the have to out, and

the want to comes right back in.

90

:

Which brings me to seasons.

91

:

And yeah, I think seasons for most

indie shows are one of the stupidest

92

:

ideas going, and any guru that is

so desperate for any cash from you

93

:

that they encourage you to do seasons

should be struck off from the

94

:

podcast management register forever.

95

:

They should hit some sort of creepy list.

96

:

Some activists on TikTok should turn up on

their doorstep and hound them forevermore

97

:

and wait for the police to arrive.

98

:

But my reason for saying that is

not what you expect, and I want to

99

:

be fair to you if you've done one.

100

:

The thing is, publishing

in seasons isn't strategy.

101

:

It's a coping mechanism dressed up

in a delivery method, in a format.

102

:

It's a frightened person trying

to schedule a bit of freedom they

103

:

already own outright for nothing.

104

:

It's bolting a fire escape

onto a door that was never,

105

:

ever locked in the first place.

106

:

And here's the real punchline on this.

107

:

It doesn't even work because instead

of freeing you, it just kicks the

108

:

dread down the road to, "Oh my God, am

I actually gonna come back for season

109

:

two?" And that bit there, that breezy

little, "Back in the autumn, guys," is

110

:

nine times out of 10 precisely where

the show wanders off and then dies

111

:

in a ditch, never heard from again.

112

:

You never needed a season

finale to be allowed to stop.

113

:

You had that the whole time.

114

:

Nobody was gonna arrest you if

there wasn't a next episode.

115

:

Now, I'm not gonna hand you a warm

cup of lies because that's the guru

116

:

move, and it makes my skin crawl.

117

:

The flip side of you can stop

any time is that you might.

118

:

Most shows do stop in the end.

119

:

Yours may well do, and that has to be

actually fine with you in your brain.

120

:

Not brave-face fine, genuinely

fine, or none of this works.

121

:

Because if the only way you can

keep going with your podcast is by

122

:

convincing yourself that stopping

would be some sort of tragedy, then

123

:

you're actually not permitted, mate.

124

:

You're just scared.

125

:

Real permission has to include the version

of you where one day you go, "Yeah.

126

:

Do you know what?

127

:

I've done eight years.

128

:

I think I'm done."

129

:

And allowing yourself a

proper, dignified full stop.

130

:

And that's not failure.

131

:

That's not you giving up.

132

:

That is you imposing an ending.

133

:

Grown-ups are allowed those.

134

:

Let's put this into a real-world analogy.

135

:

Imagine you're invited to a party, and

you turn up at the party, and when you

136

:

get there, the party host says, "Oh, okay.

137

:

You're here now for the next eight weeks."

138

:

How would you feel at that party?

139

:

Would you want to stay forever?

140

:

No, you'd be ticking days off the

calendar, watching the door, and

141

:

yearning for the day that you can walk

through it again. And that is literally

142

:

the mentality that you're imposing

yourself in your podcast production

143

:

when you approach it as seasons.

144

:

Versus the person that turns up at

the party, knows they can leave at any

145

:

time, makes a bunch of friends, has

lots of fun, and then just walks out

146

:

thinking, "Do you know what? That was

such a great party. I can't wait to go

147

:

back to that one again." That is it.

148

:

That's the whole deal.

149

:

And weirdly, it's the exact method

that lets you begin in the first place.

150

:

Anyway, speaking of people who just

keep choosing to make the next one

151

:

and sod the five-year plan. After

this short break, I'd love to play

152

:

you a podcast trailer from one of

our Podmastery Community Members.

153

:

We will be opening the

doors to the public soon.

154

:

If you'd like to join the founding

members, go to podmastery.co/waitlist.

155

:

There you go.

156

:

Someone who made one episode, then

on the day decided to make another.

157

:

That's the entire game.

158

:

No master plan.

159

:

There's no blood oath.

160

:

They're not trapped.

161

:

They're not handcuffed to their show.

162

:

They just want to keep making it.

163

:

So here's something for you.

164

:

It's not a checklist, it's

not a framework, it's not a

165

:

seven-part signature system.

166

:

I would rather chew glass

than give that to you.

167

:

Here is what you need to do.

168

:

You need to stop committing to a

podcast that's too big a thing to

169

:

fathom. It isn't real, and it's the

exact thing that's crushing your spirit.

170

:

Commit to the next episode.

171

:

Only ever the next one.

172

:

And next time that you're laying in

bed at stupid o'clock and that voice

173

:

in your head pipes up, "Oh my God, do I

have to do this forever?" stare at the

174

:

ceiling and think to yourself, "No, I

only ever have to do exactly one more."

175

:

That's the whole commitment.

176

:

Can I make one more episode?

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And of course, the

answer is you bloody can.

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So go and make it.

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And when it's out, you're free again.

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Properly, genuinely free.

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And you'll wander back in behind

that microphone again, and

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you'll choose to make another.

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Not because some LinkedIn goon guilted you

into it, because you actually wanted to

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create, you wanted to share, you wanted

to spread what you're here to spread.

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Forever was never the contract.

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Just the next episode as it feels

right to you was, and that's the only

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thing you ever have to say yes to.

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I hope that's removed the proverbial boot

from the back of your neck a little bit.

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You never signed up for forever.

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Nobody did.

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You signed up for one more.

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And if you want a hand working out

what your podcast's next episode

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should actually look like, that's

a conversation I love having

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Get yourself to podmastery.co and

get your next podcasting challenge

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solved in a one-to-one with me.

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I'm Neal Veglio, the Podmaster.

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Go and make your next episode, just the

next one for now, and good luck with your

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continuing journey towards pod mastery.